We Hung Out in our favorite Crawlspace.

Shirley, we couldn't say no.

You know that feeling when people you genuinely admire invite you over to chat about something you've poured your whole heart into?

It was such a good hang. We met Lance at CrimeCon in Las Vegas and he became our instant bestie / Exhibitor neighbor while we were there.

He and Tim invited us on the show, so last week,

we had the chance to join Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna on the incredible Crawlspace Podcast to talk about Shirley, You Can't Be Serious, and the winding road that led us to create it.

For an hour or so, Josh and Amanda got to swap stories, pull back the curtain on the making of the podcast, talk about why Shirley's story grabs a hold of so many, and probably laugh more than one would expect during a conversation about murder, crime, and investigative storytelling.

Watch the Episode

👇 Here's the full conversation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwsB72ZOngg&t=134s

If you're already listening to Shirley, You Can't Be Serious, we think you'll enjoy hearing some of the behind-the-scenes moments that didn't make it into the episodes.

And if this is your first introduction to us, well...this isn't a bad place to start.

Crawlspace is amazing! Tim and Lance know how to have real conversations. They're curious. They ask thoughtful questions. They leave room for stories to breathe.

Whether they're covering true crime, missing persons, unsolved mysteries, or talking with fellow creators, there's an authenticity to what they do that made us feel right athome.

So if you're a fan of investigative podcasts, documentary storytelling, or just hearing how podcasts actually get made, this episode is worth a listen.

Thanks for Having Us

Huge thanks to Tim and Lance for inviting us on. We always enjoy the moment when people discover the larger than life details in Shirlley's life the way we have.

We're grateful they invited us into theirs.

If you found Dead Serious Media through Crawlspace, welcome. Make yourself comfortable. We've got plenty more stories to tell.

And if you've been with us since the beginning, thanks for coming along for the ride. We couldn't do any of this without you.

See you in the next episode!